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This is brutal lesson in the power of Brandolini's Law - the effort to refute bullshit exceeds the initial effort to create the bullshit. Here, you have made a massive post, and you are just getting started. Unfortunately I suspect your "unicorn" won't spend the time to even complete part I.

I have studied the mask phenomenon tirelessly the last 3 years [1] and as a lifelong skeptic, I always begin by finding where we can find common ground when debating. Specifically I like to find out where we stand on the following proposals (framed this discussion as I would to your "unicorn", so "you" is not directed at Michael Wolf):

1) What's the lowest "tier" of mask that works?

We both agree that "Fake Masks" [2] do not work. We both agree that Powered Pressurized Personnel Suits aka "Moon Suits" like you see Shi Zengli wearing at a BSL4 lab do work. Somewhere between those extremes is where we disagree. Does a handkerchief work? A Gaitor? A loose fitting cloth mask? Where do they start working? Surgical? Double Surgical?

I propose nothing short of a PPPS Moon Suit works, but to be charitable, I will temporize that a fit tested, single use n95, worn on a freshly shaven face, donned and discarded appropriately, exchanged every 2 hours, could work. I will accept that.

Hopefully you would agree that a cloth mask does not work, which is now the mainstream consensus in science - you need at least a Surgical Mask or N95. (*This is an important concession*, as if the person believes a Cloth Mask works, there is not much hope)

2) Can we agree that in times of crisis, Governments and Figures of Authority will often turn to ineffective solutions with mass appeal just so they are seen as having an answer? Leaders in times of Crisis won't ever say "I don't know" - as their power is derived from knowing. Getting under your desk in the 50's for Nuclear Bomb Alarms was useless but the people in charge wanted to make you feel like they had an answer. "Just Say No" to Drugs was useless in the 80's but it showed the Government was "doing something". George W Bush telling Americans to "go out shopping" after 9/11 was useless. Can we agree that this is a tried-and-true phenomenon?

Can we agree that when political leaders make bad ideas, they are reluctant to admit error? Even obviously stupid bad ideas they will cling to for decades?

I will be proposing that the donning of Face Masks was an example of the Government giving a simple solution to a complex problem to give The People reassurance the Govt was in control. That it would ignite a culture war was unforeseen. In no scenario would the government ever concede "this is a complex problem we won't understand for decades - we don't know"

3) Can we agree what distinguishes science from pseudoscience? I think Carl Sagan framed it best in The Demon-Haunted World:

"Pseudoscience differs from erroneous science. Science thrives on errors, cutting them away one by one. False conclusions are drawn all the time, but they are drawn tentatively. Hypotheses are framed so they are capable of being disproved. A succession of alternative hypotheses is confronted by experiment and observation. Science gropes and staggers toward improved understanding. Proprietary feelings are of course offended when a scientific hypothesis is disproved, but such disproof's are recognized as central to the scientific enterprise.

Pseudoscience is just the opposite. Hypotheses are often framed precisely so they are invulnerable to any experiment that offers a prospect of disproof, so even in principle they cannot be invalidated. Practitioners are defensive and wary. Skeptical scrutiny is opposed. "

Can we agree with Carl Sagan?

I will be making the argument that Mask Science was opposed to skepticism, that like all pseudoscience it cannot predict anything nor produce claims which can be replicated. Most importantly it cannot be falsified. All evidence - all 300 studies showing the wonders of masks - rely on bad science, observational studies, data dredging, and cherry picking. Requests for RCTs are met with opposition and derision, yet the few we have done have found no effect ("but what about Bangladesh" - will address later, though note it found cloth masks ineffective - which were the very masks some 200 other studies used to create this hysteria found 100% effective)

4) Can we agree that science, and in particular medical science, often gets things wrong? And I am not just talking about the ancient past like Galen proposing ingesting mercury, George Washington being killed by bloodletting, or William Farr sticking to Miasma theory a decade longer than the evidence demonstrated - I am talking about our lifetime. Lobotomies. Vioxx. Mammograms under 50. Knee surgery. 100s of medical procedures which were in vogue for years/decades, then were retired. 100s of medications which initially had efficacy, then later found not to be effective.

Perhaps the most relevant recent example is Perdue Pharma convincing tens of millions of physicians that they had developed non addictive heroin using nothing more than sleazy marketing and bullshit science, which would result in a half a million deaths.

Can we agree that often medical science can get things catastrophically wrong? And this is a reminder of the dangers of the "Appeal to Authority"?

I will argue that since it was possible to convince millions of doctors that heroin can be good for (which is an idiotic claim at face value), it is also possible to convince them facemasks can stop viruses (which at least makes intuitive sense before you dive into physics and statistics).

5) Can we agree on some basic facts and physics?

- Covid is airborne

- That a Covid virion is 50 to 140 nanometers (.05 - .14 microns). The smallest visible object to the human eye is 100 microns (think those small mites of dust which are only visible to you when hit with light). This means you could pack up to 11 *billion* Covid virions into the size of that same "almost visible" dust particle.

- The size of the micropore of an n95 is 8 microns. The size of surgical mask micropore is 50 microns. The size of a cloth mask pore is at best 500 microns. To visualize this better, if you scaled a covid virion to the size of a beachball, the size of an n95 micropore would be the size of Epcot center's famous Geodesic Dome. Do the math for surgical and cloth masks

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- That airflow will follow the path of least resistance. For any mask you wear, the denser the mesh weave, the more the air you breath will push and pull through the sides. Logically the slightest gaps in your mask will be wear air tries to flow through. Even seemingly invisible gaps of a millimeter or two will be where the air will travel (let alone the large gaps you often see by the bridge of your nose). To prove this point, take any of your masks, wear it best you can, and take 5 breaths. Now take that same mask and press it against your mouth forming a tight seal and compare the difference in airflow

- As a reminder, viruses were only discovered in the 1890s after an invisible contaminant passed through *ceramic* chamberland filters [6] which were dubbed "filter passing viruses". Ceramic. Viruses can pass through Ceramic.

Do we agree on these facts?

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Now that we have established common ground on the above 5 points, I will propose that the facts offer several explanations of why masks have repeatedly failed all and every claim made of their efficacy, These may explain for example, why mask obsessed South Korea has one of the highest excess mortality rates in the world, while all the Nordic countries who weren't too into the masks have the lowest. Why claims such as "Texas is throwing gas on fire" after halting mandates failed to materialize. Why prediction, after prediction failed rendering the hypothesis unfalsifiable.

You will see how we used bad science to support a pseudoscience once again in history.

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sansvide's avatar

Great writeup, thanks.

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